After reading various reviews about the osprey pikemans lament rules I've picked a copy. This isn't just limited to ECW but all like and shotte era, and various other army lists have been done such as samurai. Has anyone else seen or thought about picking up the rules?
Hi Dan, The " Western Group" have been playing these rules since early this year, probably had half a dozen games, generally with ECW type forces, although one of the group has a French contingent. I understand they are quite similar to Lion Rampant, which I own, but have not as yet played. We each have our own leader, with randomly chosen characteristics and are keeping track of "honour points", with one or two already having gained promotion. It's a great fun game, may upset the purists, but who cares. We have played with 4 to 6 players, each having their own company (we have use of Barry's 10 x 5 foot table), but it's equally useable for two players. We have used 28 mm figures based for other rules, so 4 pike or muskets to a base, pairs of cavalry on a base etc and then use markers for casualties. If starting from scratch the 3-2-1 basing is probably the way to go. People are also using smaller scale figures, even down to 6mm, which makes it almost a portable game. My favoured combination is usually a couple of dragoon units (move fast, hard to hit, very useful for seizing key points whilst your slower units move up. (Graham used them to set fire to buildings in one of our games), a galloper cavalry, couple of musketeers and a pike unit, although I sometimes replace a musketeer with Pistoleer cavalry, or upgrade one or two units depending on the scenario. Definitely worth a go, would be good for a club " league" with each player having his own leader character. A two player game probably takes an hour or hour and a half. multi- player games used to last a session of 3.5 hours or so. I will be definitely trying to persuade folks in Scotland to have a go. It's one if the many things I will miss once we trek north next week. There is a Facebook group for the rules, which you may already have found. Dave
Post by runninghorse on Sept 12, 2017 18:59:13 GMT
Hi Dave, Good to know it's being played in group already. Hopefully I'll get one of the western group to have a game with. Who is un the western group? Graham, Barry but not sure on the others.
I was looking at 50mm bases and 3 or 4 to a base, the rules for my samurai use 3 to a base but I have everything I need to use 4, these are movement trays with figures on round or square bases and stuck on with magnets.
And for some unknown reason saw some infantry on eBay and bought some more so I could put 2 forces up once painted. Good to know about the dragoons as I have none of those.
I suppose I'll start by reading the rules now and get up to speed with that.
Hi Dan, Western group is Graham, Barry, Norman Thorp (who recently joined the club), Ian Nicholas (who has just joined us and, I think, has joined the club as well, but has not yet been introduced to Pikeman's Lament), Richard Young and Richard Ellis who don't come to the club. I am sure Barry would be up for a game, he has a lot of Richard Ellis' ECW stuff. Did Samurai have the equivalent of dragoons? Don't really know much about their organisation. The way you have your figures based would work OK. Units are 12 figures or 6 figures, so the bases of 3 would work fine. Doesn't take too long to read through the core rules, so I am sure you will soon get to grips with them and will really enjoy playing. Dave
I have it and fancy a go sometime-have some underused ECW figs at home.
That said, my first impression is that the rules seem a little overdone-moving away from the simplicity of their Lion Rampant roots.
Never played Lion Rampant, although I have the rules- still need to paint up my "Anarchy" medieval 15 mm. Having said that, I don't find Pikeman anything other than a very simple and enjoyable rule set. It is not a game for those who see battles in this period as having rigid pike blocks, etc. It's really more to do with what were later known as " The little wars"- small groups of soldiers raiding supply trains, beating up enemy quarters, seizing key positions in advance of a full scale battle etc. Effectively, one figure is one man.
Do you need individual figures for it? If not we have 100's of 25/28mm on multi figure bases.
We play all of our games with figures already based up for other rule sets, in my case the club ECW rules and Pike And Shotte from Warlord Games. I do have some single infantry and cavalry figures, but all that is really needed is some system for recording casualties (we use little beads, but no reason not to use casualty figures, dice markers etc) when you reach the number representing your smallest base, just take it off. Dave
Nice to know we have another set of rules to try along side "Kings of War" - how many different sets do we need. I know KOW is a bit earlier but I think there must be a later set of KOW on the way with muskets and pistols.